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  • hsingh82
    03-31 05:06 PM
    Great job Totoro!! Thanks.

    Here are the examples I presented (lightly edited). Anyone wanting to meet with lawmakers should feel free to use as much of these documents as needed.


    Case 1 (Waiting 10 years):

    - i left a very well-paid job after 5 years in multi-nationals before coming to US in 1999.
    - Did dual Masters from a top engineering school + business certification
    - Brought into US $25000 from savings abroad for my studies; Took $25K More as a private loan and have paid it off long back.
    - Never considered myself underpaid in USA. My compensation is amongst the best.
    - Have owned a house since 2002 and raising two US born kids, of course paid taxes for 9 years.

    - it is the quality of life AND the quality of PEOPLE that i wanted to work with: one of the reasons why i came to US.
    - Would like to buy a larger house and can certainly afford it today with a credit score over 800.
    - Would like to start my own company, or try to do something different & more strategic for a job function.

    i have been in the EB3 queue since 2004, with no respite in sight. All is clear except that there are no visa numbers available.

    The issue as you all agreed to - is that this is painfully slow and everyone like me is stuck with one employer and the same job.

    As employers and their lawyers often decide when and in which category a candidate can apply, the employee is left at their mercy. It is understandable if an employer is sponsoring, they must benefit for their investment. Question is how? is 5 years of 'must-serve-us' good enough, or 10, or 15? When can an employee have the mobility?

    Why is it that someone with equal or less qualification / experience can become a US citizen 5 to 10 years before me? Just because they were born in a different country? Because their employer decided a faster EB category? Because they married a US citizen?

    I love America and remain grateful for the opportunities it has provided.
    However, I have trained a lot of US citizens / GC holders who have gone far ahead in career, and I am still doing the same.

    Liberty seems only a statue at times.

    Case 2 Engineer (Waiting 15 years):

    I have been in this country for more than 15 years and still waiting for the GC...I have never been out of status all along...Here is my story...

    I came to US in 1994 fall to attend graduate school and started working from 1997 as transportation engineer. I applied for green card in 1998, but unfortunately the rules were different and the goal post seems to change every time.

    During that time all engineering fields were clubbed together (computers, mechanical, civil etc.) under one generic field for labor certification purposes and therefore the wage requirement was much higher than what a typical transportation engineer would make at that time. Therefore my labor was denied. After talking to my immigration lawyer I was left with two options...Pick up a job that paid the asking labor certification wage (which was skewed and next to impossible) or send additional documentation and references to convince the dept of labor that transportation engineers do not make that much money and that I am being paid more than the prevailing wage for 'transportation engineers'. . After I send additional paperwork to dept of labor based on the suggestion given by my lawyer, what if the dept of labor still denied my labor? I would have been back to square one, and moreover I would have lost a year or two on H1 status. Please note that at that time you had ONLY 6 yrs of H1 visa and it COULD NOT BE EXTENDED EVEN YOUR IMMIGRATION PAPERWORK WAS PENDING. The above rule came later (instance of goal post moving), but I had to make my decision based on what the rules were at that time. So I decided to go back to school in 1999 and attended graduate school to get a computer science degree.

    In late 2000, I joined a company in CA and resumed my paperwork for the green card. My labor was approved and filed for 140 and 140 was also approved in 2002. In 2005, my spouse started to work full-time and started the green card process. We finally applied 485s in 2007, but are still waiting for the approvals. It took CIS almost A YEAR to get our EADs! That too after many calls, letters and contacting the local senator! What an inefficient bureaucracy!

    When the economy was good, I was helpless with CIS rules and its bureaucracy. By the time I received my EAD, the economy is in shambles now...In the process, I had nothing to show for the past 5 yrs!

    Few years back there was a pilot program at TSC where they issued FB green cards under fast track. I personally know someone who applied for their parents, and they got their green cards within 60 days! Their parents never visited US before and during their first ever visitor's visit, they have their green cards? Here I am, came to US in 1994, attended graduate schools, paid tuition, contributed to research, paid my taxes, never was out of status and most importantly, played by the rules, but I am still waiting in this mess!

    Case 3 Partner (Waiting 14 years):

    I've been here for 14 years now; and my wife for 9, legally for every single day. We have two US graduate degrees each. We have paid over $100,000 in federal income tax alone, in each of the last few years. We own our home. Our child was born here. I am a partner at my firm. And we have many wonderful friends here. But we continue to wait indefinitely for our green cards. Citizenship seems an impossible dream at this point.

    Any provision that would bring us closer to citizenship (such as "citizenship fastrack for those who've legally been in the US for more than 10 years" and/or "paid taxes for N years" and/or "earned US graduate degrees" etc) would be very welcome.

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  • tmr79
    05-16 05:11 PM
    Thanks Snathan. Really appreciate your efforts. Congratulations on your approval and good luck with the remaining 2 phases. Please keep us posted on what needs to be done.

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  • chintu25
    01-16 09:34 PM
    There is no Voice chat we will have to type in

    If there is interest then we can arrange telecons

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  • GCAmigo
    02-02 02:54 PM
    >>I start to feel that my US dream is so stupid.
    feel the same here.. just about to enter the 9th year on H1

    PD Dec2003
    140 Approved
    485 nohope


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  • pappu
    09-01 11:34 AM
    Alright guys, I cannot tell you how excited I am to report that i got a call this morning from my attorney and my online case status also states that Card Production was ordered for my case!!!

    After 8 long years.....i finally have been approved for permanent residency. After 7 years, i will finally, with peace of mind, go back to India to visit my family. Thanks to IV, everyone's help on these forums for helping me keep my sanity over the past 2 years....

    After 15 years in the US, I will finally have my green card in hand soon.



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  • Munna Bhai
    05-08 10:29 AM
    I just confirmed with my attorney, they're filing with the Atlanta office.

    Atlanta is very slow


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  • GCOP
    05-15 01:51 PM
    I already Contacted First 6 Numbers in the List. Response from their Staff was positive. All of them noted the Bill Numbers and assured to Convey the message to the Representative.


    Please call the below selected members from CHC. There are reasons why we should NOT be calling every one in the CHC. The members we have to target from CHC and their corresponding numbers are listed below.

    Tell them that you would like to talk to some one who handles immigration/legal matters, If forwarded to voice mail, leave a VM. If the VM is full, you can get back to the main line by pressing 0 and then leave a message with them.

    The message you have to deliver when calling these offices is

    I would like Representative "Representative Name" to co sponsor bills HR 5882 and HR 5921, sponsored by Zoe Lofgren. Both of these bills have wide bipartisan support in the house and will help reduce the back logs associated with USCIS. These bills are a great first step towards immigration reform.


    Only if the staff member bring up the issue of CIR, in that case say that -

    In the past we have been supporting Comprehensive approach and still continue to support comprehensive approach and we look for our our main issues to be addressed whenever comprehensive bill is passed. However, this is is just an interim fix to begin or start the immigration reform process.


    Raul grijalva
    ph (202) 225-2435

    Charles Gonzalez
    Phone: (202)225-3236

    Dennis Cardoza

    Jim Costa
    (202) 225-6131

    Henry Cuellar
    phone: 202-225-1640

    Ruben Hinojosa
    phone: 202-225-1640

    Ciro Rodriguez
    202 225 4511

    Lucille Roybal-Allard
    202 225 1766

    Hilda Solis
    202 225 5464

    Senator Robert Menendez
    202 224 4744

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  • SDdesi
    05-13 11:41 PM
    Received our approval notices in the mail today. Infact, our immigration attorney received them first. No emails, no SMS, no SRs. Online status still shows "Initial Review".

    Its been almost 10 years to the date. I wish all my friends on IV good luck and hang in there.

    Along the journey, IV has provided a lot of help & support and I will certainly be sticking around to help in whatever way I can.

    GO IV!


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  • my2cents
    06-28 03:17 PM
    For EB3 Folks with PD's in early - 2003- there are close to 8742 applicants in front of you That is a wait of 5 more years.

    For EB3 Folks with PD's in mid 2003 and later - There are 14583 applicants in line before you- That is a wait of 10-12 more years.

    Now the only way forward will be to lobby with IV for a legislative fix. Apart from that there is just no option, the sooner people realise that and help IV with advocacy, the better results we will get.

    I am quite confused. My date is June 2002 first week .
    Not sure if it makes sense to Port to Eb2 , but big uknown is how long it would take PD to move up to June 2002.

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  • gc_maine2
    06-28 07:57 PM
    logiclife, i like this one "And now suddenly USCIS is acting like an undocumented worker ignoring the laws and regulations" :) :)

    So basically USCIS is in violation of regula
    tion for not accepting 485 petitions for EB3-other worker category even though those petitions are current as per June Bulletin issued in May.

    I hope USCIS atleast follows the regulations and laws. Coz we just finished with an 18 month debate in the Senate today on law-abiding done by immigrants. And now suddenly USCIS is acting like an undocumented worker ignoring the laws and regulations.


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  • NolaIndian32
    04-14 12:00 PM
    Over 6000 Views, 22 members thus far - we need more support!!

    Please PM me or send an e-mail to to get the Team IV Membership Form.

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  • zephyrr
    07-19 01:03 AM
    i am happy for those who can file now.

    my pd is jul 2003 and was lucky enough that my case got approved in time that i could file.

    we should have really started putting pressure that the becs at least approve cases by priority dates if nothing else. the becs didn't follow any rules and approved cases out of order as well.

    lesson learnt. complaceny doesn't work, be engaged, contribute, and fight for your rights.

    Years we have been told priority date establishes your place in the queue.

    We have spurned job offers and declined the new PERM process to hold on to the priority dates.

    Many are still awaiting labor certifications from the backlog elimination centers. Out comes USCIS and says everyone with a LC can file I140 & I485.

    People still waiting for LC with priority dates in 2003-2004 are seeing applicants who have priority dates as late as 2007 but with approved LCs through PERM walk through to I485.

    Net result, USCIS is going to be flooded with applicants enough to retrogress the priority dates 3-4 years back as early as september. (Everybody with a LC will be able to file for I485 in July). So applicants with priority dates of 2007 are going to get EAD and GC, while LC backlogged 2003 applicants to have to wait for another 3-4 years before they can even file I485.

    Aint fair. Aint fair at all. How can this be. How can rules be changed in the middle of the game.


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  • forever_waiting
    01-12 04:10 PM
    It is surprising (rather shocking) to see how a discussion on an EB bill (which might never see the light of day anyway) has degenerated into an oft-repeated rant on how IV does not represent EB3.

    When I meet with my lawmaker's office (and when I again meet in Feb), I repeat the IV provisions which are for ALL EB and not any specific category/country. THe problem with EB3 is the with the way the EB system/inventory is set-up. It is stupid to convert a chronic issue into a "IV is not trying" debate. As always, we have lots of armchair critics and few grass-roots workers.

    If you trust IV Core and its advisory board and believe that they know how politics works better than you and me you are entitled to your opinion and you may be right too. Certainly IV Core knows how political work, there is no denying that but my point of contention is that does what ICV Core believe and are working towards match with what is good for EB3?
    And there as the bard would say lies the rub

    Now again in response to that you and most of the people would agree that IV Core goals is good for EB3. Now out of all the people who agree how many are EB3 and how many are EB2. Again IV Core would say many EB3 agree with what they do because IV is not about helping anyone, IV is about helping yourselves (EB3 or EB2), and when it comes to the fact of helping ourselves i for one feel that IV core would do better to listen to the EB3 voice out there. Why do i feel EB3 specific voice is not being heard? Well the answer to that is very simple. It is because EB3 as a whole has NOT seen any benefit out of the rule changes which happened till now and any new initiative which gets the support of IV.

    As to your statement about below
    The idea you preferred has no chance, given the harsh economic situation and anti-immigration sentiment at this time
    My commnts to that is that YES it is a harsh economic situation and YES anti immigrants sentiments is on the rise but if i am an an anti immigrant i would oppose immigrants as a whole. I would not oppose EB2 immigrants less because they have MS degrees and i would not oppose EB3 less because they are stuck in the immigration process and harsh economics time is harsh for everyone (EB2 and EB3) and also citizens so the same logic of anti immigranst sentiments would apply

    Reagrding your another statement
    In this case, EB3 will have to wait forever. Now, which one do you like? I think people should be realistic.
    What i like is not what is important. What is important is what is done is the right thing., If it is the question of EB3 waiting fore ever (say 10 years) or EB3 waiting more than forever (say 20 years) i would plum for which ever option gives relief to people (even if it extends my GC wait time) who are of older priority date and who should get relief, not because they have waited for so long but because they waited for so long in the line and followed all the rules and it is just mind blowing that people who have applied for GC in 2008 and 2010 and expecting that they deserve to get GC because they are EB2 and no other reason.

    Now to that all EB2 guys will reply back saying Are you nuts, that how the world works, if you want a GC sooner get a US degree or apply in EB2 no one is stopping you and all that kinds of statements. It gets ugly too but what everyone forgets is that it is easier to be sanctimonious and give advise when you are not being effected. When you are at the other end (Remember the bottom of the totem pole) that is when you all these things come back to bite you and you cannot justify what you said earlier.

    Think about it illegals want GC for everyone illegal. Legals (including IV Core among others) say we are fighting for all EB and are united but when an EB2 with 2007 priority date gets GC but an EB3 32002 is still waiting all that argument falls by the wayside and there is no unity

    Ok if IV Core (And when i say IV Core i mean everyone EB2 and EB3 peiople because IV Core is nothing but the EB applicants themselves) cannot or will not try to work towards fixing the dispension of spillover visas to EB2 and EB3 equally because that is the law and the law cannot change why cannot IV Core try to implement (the keyword here is TRY whether the law pases or not is not the point) the 55 K DV to all retrogressed applicants instead of just US MS applicants. They can try to do that but they are not. So in what way is IV a representative of EB3 apprehensions and issues

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  • Saralayar
    04-14 12:46 PM
    I guess we have enough people convinced and for those short sighted ones will have an option whether they want to get naturalized or live on their dear GCs so by that time if they educate themselves they will be convinced too.

    Now what are the next steps in chanelling this effort through IV Core?
    IV Core, please go through this thread and consolidate all the valid and genuine points and consider this for the phase 2 campaign...


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  • wing114yi
    05-03 08:53 PM
    1) Applied Date - Feb 08
    2) Audit Date - April 3th, 08
    3) Audit Reply Date - April 17th, 08
    4) Category - EB3
    5) Center - Atlanta

    Pending.....and my non-immigrate visa is expiring at the end of June...please help!


    We all had a sigh of relief when we saw the new labor certification process (Perm) and were promised that it will be much faster and smooth. Thankfully they have kept their promise, for the most part, except for the cases that get audited.

    The cases that are 'randomly audited' have been pending for months and months, some cases () have been pending for over an year and there have been no response from DoL what so ever. I understand that a year does not sound bad especially to those folks who had their labor approved through the old process but these days the labor is getting approved within 50-60 days (average). It appears that the DOL (Atlanta Processing Center at least) does not bother to look at the documents once the audit has been replied to.

    Although I understand that not everyone uses and some audit replies may have been replied sooner and were never reported to but you can get the idea just by a sample of the cases that were audited, and see that they have being neglected, ignored or appears that they are no longer considered for further processing. I have seen instances where the lawyers have retreated the application in the audit and filed a new application (a gamble) hoping that it does not get audit this time around. But not sure how that turned out.

    If you visit the Atlanta Perm section on you will see the people's misery I mention here. In fact, I am sure that there are number of IV members who are going through this aggravating process but are silent becuase they know that can not do anything. Even lawyers have shown the sign of disappointment to this hopeless condition.

    So I ask you, Members of IV, to help us and suggest something that (we) can be done to bring this to the attention of some sort of authority that would help trigger the review of Audit responses.

    Thank you!

    We have decided to make this thread a place where all the Perm Auditees come and show their support. As of now we are gathering people here to estimate how many people are out there suffering the delays caused by Perm Audit. I have added a poll which is a way for us to estimate the number of people who will support any action that we take to make our voice heard.

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  • StuckInTheMuck
    07-30 03:03 PM
    This ( and this ( thread discuss your question at some length.


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  • delhirocks
    05-19 05:10 PM
    Great Job IV...

    I will call every on the list starting now...

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  • baleraosreedhar
    08-18 01:11 PM
    Jus tnow got CPO Email for me Also, I think the SR for Expediate process requested by wife did work.

    I am glad to see the Email finally.

    We had opened SR by going to the option of Address Change and then to the CR rep, and the rep had actually initiated Expediate process on finding that we have not received the EAD card, Rep had asked allt he options like Military Service, govt service and financial hardship, we told we loose job is we do not get EAD before the expiry date and Rep choose the option of Financial hardship as cause for Expediate request and it worked for us.

    I hope others can try this option to initiate Expediate Process

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  • sbdol
    08-01 11:11 PM
    Did you already file your I-485 ?
    "... in the past the USCIS determined that the Child Status Protection Act (CSPA) would extend such children's eligibility in most cases so long as their adjustment application was filed before they reach the age of 21...

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    05-24 01:21 AM
    After receiving GC do we have to report to SSN to change the SSN card but with same number. Existing card says work paper required.

    Any anyone knows action item required after receiving GC then please post here?

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