IneedAllGreen
02-23 01:23 PM
My Wife is attending her graduate school here. There is no need to show other than H4 visa and in most states you can have resident fees paid for your spouse study. More you can get information from the school you are intersted for H4 visa holder. Hope this help you.
Thanks
IneedAllGreen
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IneedAllGreen
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indyanguy
04-19 11:27 PM
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godbless
07-31 03:56 PM
Certainly you loose your h4 status if you start working on your EAD. After that one should use Advanced Parole for travelling out of the country. There is no need to inform USCIS formally about it.
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glus
05-31 09:00 AM
Guys,
Pappu just posted an important message here: http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?p=72997#post72997
Please read and contribute now, as it is a critical time for us.
Pappu just posted an important message here: http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?p=72997#post72997
Please read and contribute now, as it is a critical time for us.
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snathan
04-15 03:35 PM
I am in.
What do I need to do apart from contributions and convincing other friends to vote on the above thread?
We need to cross 5000 mark first....
What do I need to do apart from contributions and convincing other friends to vote on the above thread?
We need to cross 5000 mark first....
like_watching_paint_dry
09-07 09:59 AM
I'm not sure how much help this would be. But I've noticed in the past that companies in India like Wipro et al apply for H1/L1 for their employees and keep the H1 around. And when the need arises, they send them over on short term work assignments (anywhere from 1 - 18 months).
Ideally for the purpose of meetings etc, they should be using the B visa, especially when they have not sponsored an immigrant petition. But in your case, you have an immigrant intent so I guess a H or L is the way to go. Please consult an attorney as I have no idea about what implications your Canadian pay setup will have over the 'pay prevailing wages during H1B presence' issue.
I dont know much about L1 but yours seems perfectly suited for an L1 and I believe L1 can have immigrant intent too. Any reason you cant go on to L1?
Ideally for the purpose of meetings etc, they should be using the B visa, especially when they have not sponsored an immigrant petition. But in your case, you have an immigrant intent so I guess a H or L is the way to go. Please consult an attorney as I have no idea about what implications your Canadian pay setup will have over the 'pay prevailing wages during H1B presence' issue.
I dont know much about L1 but yours seems perfectly suited for an L1 and I believe L1 can have immigrant intent too. Any reason you cant go on to L1?
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paskal
09-10 11:58 AM
From Siskind's blog on ILW
http://blogs.ilw.com/gregsiskind/2007/09/more-details-on.html
MORE DETAILS ON SEPTEMBER 18TH RALLY
Folks - The issue has been raised about whether non-citizens are allowed to participate in rallies. The answer is an emphatic YES! The main restrictions you have in participating in the world's oldest democratic republic is in your ability to vote and your ability to donate to election campaigns. You are most definitely allowed to go to a rally and press your case to the government.
Immigration Voice has released the following advisory for those attending:
Travel Advisory for the Sept 18th Rally/Parade
Dear Member: As you know, the route of the rally on Sept 18th is from Washington Monument to Capitol Hill in downtown Washington DC. Please use the following advisory for travel to and from rally and related events. Everyone must arrive at the Washington Monument at around 9:00 AM on 18th. The march would begin at 11:00 AM and end at 12:30 PM. We will gather on Capitol Hill grounds and stay there from 12:30 thru 2:30 PM.
Same day travelers: You have to arrive at Washington Monument at 9:00 AM where this event begins and leave the event from Capitol Hill, when it ends at 2:30 PM.
Arrival Advisory
For people arriving at the Washington Monument via WMATA Metro Rail/Bus
There are two close Metro Stations to the Washington Monument Grounds. From your location reach one of the below metro stations. Please use the trip planner on WMATA Home page.
(1) Smithsonian Metro Station (closest by walk)
(2) Federal Triangle Metro Station
Both the stations are 0.4 miles from the monument grounds and are on both Orange & Blue Metro Lines. See the map here on WMATA website and familiarize yourselves before you get on to the train.
Tip: For those who has not been to DC before, Washington Monument stands tall and can be seen easily. Google Washington Monument and familiarize yourself, if time permits.
Walking Directions from Smithsonian Metro
(1) Take the 12th street exit and walk 0.1mile ( North ) towards constitution avenue.
(2) Make a Left turn on Madison Dr NW and walk 0.1 mile ( West ).
(3) Arrive at the intersection of 15th and Madison Dr NW to find Washington Monument Grounds.
Walking Directions from Federal Triangle Metro
(1) Take the 12th street exit and walk 0.1mile ( South ) towards constitution avenue.
(2) Make a Right turn on Constituion Ave and walk 0.3 mile ( West)
(3) Make a Left turn on 15th st and walk 0.1 mile south to find Washington Monument Grounds
For people arriving at the Washington region airports (DCA/IAD/BWI) early morning Sep 18th
From Regan National Airport (DCA)
Regan National Airport is connected by WMATA Metro and is on both Yellow and Blue lines.
(1) Take the Blue line train (towards Largo Town Center) from DCA to Smithsonian to avoid transfers on the Metro.
(2) Use Walking directions from Smithsonian above to reach the Washington Monument grounds.
From Washing Dulles International Airport (IAD)
(1) Take the 5a bus from IAD at curb 2E to L'Enfant plaza Metro Station.
(2) Get down at the Rossyln Metro Station and Take the Blue line Metro towards Largo Town Center.
(3) Get down at Smithsonian Metro and Follow the Walking directions from Smithsonian listed above
From Baltimore Washington International Airport (BWI)
(1) Take the B30 Bus from BWI to GreenBelt Metro Station and get down at Green Belt Station.
(2) Take the Green line towards Branch Ave and get down at L'Enfant plaza Metro Station.
(3) Take the Blue line towards Franconia/Springfield Metro and get down at the Smithsonian Metro
(4) Follow walking directions from Smithsonian as listed above.
For people arriving on buses (ONLY IV Charter Buses) points south and west
Points South
(1) On I-395 North/George Mason Memorial Bridge,Stay in the 2 left lanes and follow directions to US-1/Downtown. (approx 1 mile on Route 1)
(2)Route 1 becomes 14th St SW.
(3) Make a left on Independence Ave and arrive at the intersection of 15th and Independence Ave.
(4) Buses will drop off IV members at the intersection of 15th and Independence and will be parked at RFK stadium.
Points West
(1) I-66 West becomes Theodore Roosevelt Memorial Bridge and becomes Route 50 East/ Constitution ave NW.
(2) Make a left on the 15th Street and go 0.5 miles South and arrive at the intersection of Independence ave and 15th street.
(3) Buses will drop off IV members at the intersection of 15th and Independence and will be parked at RFK stadium.
Points North and East
(1) From 295-S/Baltimore Washington Parkway take the US 50W/ Newyork Ave exit and go aprrox 5 miles
(2) Make a left on to I-395 S and go approx 2 miles
(3) Take the 12th St SW/Downtown exit and Make a left on Independence Ave with in 0.5 mile
(4) Arrive at the Independence ave and 15th street interesection in .5 miles. Buses will drop off IV members and will be parked at RFK Stadium
Departure Advisory
For people departing via WMATA Metro Rail/Bus
There are two Metro stations close to the US Capitol West lawn
(1) Union Station Metro on the Red line. (closer to west lawn by walk)
(2) Capitol South Metro on the Orange & Blue line.
Find out on what Metro Line (Blue/Orange/Red/Green/Yellow or Combination) your destination / Metro station is and chose either of the above Metro stations. Simply, Go to wmata website and get your itinerary. Your destination can be a Metro rail stop or some thing that is connected by both rail and bus.
Walking Directions to Union Station Metro Station
(1) Head North on 1st St NW towards Constitution ave approx 0.1 mile
(2) Make Right turn on Louisiana Ave to walk towards columbus circle approx .25 miles
(3) Cross the Columbus Circle to arrive at Union Station Metro.
Walking Directions to Capitol South Metro Station
(1) Head South on 1st st NW towards Independence ave, approx 0.1 mile
(2) Make Left turn on Independence avenue and walk East approx 0.2 miles
(3) Make a Right turn on New Jersey avenue and walk South approx 0.1 mile going past Cannon House building and C st SE
(4) Make a Left turn on D st SE and walk East approx 0.1 mile to arrive at US Capitol South Metro.
For People departing via IV Charter Buses
There is no pick up available around the US Capitol. IV Charter buses will be parked at the RFK Stadium which is accessible via METRO. The Metro stop is Armory Stadium which is on the Orange/Blue lines and is the 3rd stop from US Capitol South Metro. (Trains towards New Carrollton/ Largo Town Center)
(1) Follow the Walking directions to US Capitol South from the US Capitol West lawn as listed above
(2) Ride the Orange/Blue line to get down at the Armory/Stadium Metro stop.
(3) Walk towards Lot 7 from the Armory stadium. Street Signs will be available from the Metro station
(4) Board the bus and your Bus lead/Driver will get you to your destination
Please make sure that you have the bus lead(s) phone number and there will be a roll call before the bus departs. For exact timings of departure, please talk to your bus lead.
http://blogs.ilw.com/gregsiskind/2007/09/more-details-on.html
MORE DETAILS ON SEPTEMBER 18TH RALLY
Folks - The issue has been raised about whether non-citizens are allowed to participate in rallies. The answer is an emphatic YES! The main restrictions you have in participating in the world's oldest democratic republic is in your ability to vote and your ability to donate to election campaigns. You are most definitely allowed to go to a rally and press your case to the government.
Immigration Voice has released the following advisory for those attending:
Travel Advisory for the Sept 18th Rally/Parade
Dear Member: As you know, the route of the rally on Sept 18th is from Washington Monument to Capitol Hill in downtown Washington DC. Please use the following advisory for travel to and from rally and related events. Everyone must arrive at the Washington Monument at around 9:00 AM on 18th. The march would begin at 11:00 AM and end at 12:30 PM. We will gather on Capitol Hill grounds and stay there from 12:30 thru 2:30 PM.
Same day travelers: You have to arrive at Washington Monument at 9:00 AM where this event begins and leave the event from Capitol Hill, when it ends at 2:30 PM.
Arrival Advisory
For people arriving at the Washington Monument via WMATA Metro Rail/Bus
There are two close Metro Stations to the Washington Monument Grounds. From your location reach one of the below metro stations. Please use the trip planner on WMATA Home page.
(1) Smithsonian Metro Station (closest by walk)
(2) Federal Triangle Metro Station
Both the stations are 0.4 miles from the monument grounds and are on both Orange & Blue Metro Lines. See the map here on WMATA website and familiarize yourselves before you get on to the train.
Tip: For those who has not been to DC before, Washington Monument stands tall and can be seen easily. Google Washington Monument and familiarize yourself, if time permits.
Walking Directions from Smithsonian Metro
(1) Take the 12th street exit and walk 0.1mile ( North ) towards constitution avenue.
(2) Make a Left turn on Madison Dr NW and walk 0.1 mile ( West ).
(3) Arrive at the intersection of 15th and Madison Dr NW to find Washington Monument Grounds.
Walking Directions from Federal Triangle Metro
(1) Take the 12th street exit and walk 0.1mile ( South ) towards constitution avenue.
(2) Make a Right turn on Constituion Ave and walk 0.3 mile ( West)
(3) Make a Left turn on 15th st and walk 0.1 mile south to find Washington Monument Grounds
For people arriving at the Washington region airports (DCA/IAD/BWI) early morning Sep 18th
From Regan National Airport (DCA)
Regan National Airport is connected by WMATA Metro and is on both Yellow and Blue lines.
(1) Take the Blue line train (towards Largo Town Center) from DCA to Smithsonian to avoid transfers on the Metro.
(2) Use Walking directions from Smithsonian above to reach the Washington Monument grounds.
From Washing Dulles International Airport (IAD)
(1) Take the 5a bus from IAD at curb 2E to L'Enfant plaza Metro Station.
(2) Get down at the Rossyln Metro Station and Take the Blue line Metro towards Largo Town Center.
(3) Get down at Smithsonian Metro and Follow the Walking directions from Smithsonian listed above
From Baltimore Washington International Airport (BWI)
(1) Take the B30 Bus from BWI to GreenBelt Metro Station and get down at Green Belt Station.
(2) Take the Green line towards Branch Ave and get down at L'Enfant plaza Metro Station.
(3) Take the Blue line towards Franconia/Springfield Metro and get down at the Smithsonian Metro
(4) Follow walking directions from Smithsonian as listed above.
For people arriving on buses (ONLY IV Charter Buses) points south and west
Points South
(1) On I-395 North/George Mason Memorial Bridge,Stay in the 2 left lanes and follow directions to US-1/Downtown. (approx 1 mile on Route 1)
(2)Route 1 becomes 14th St SW.
(3) Make a left on Independence Ave and arrive at the intersection of 15th and Independence Ave.
(4) Buses will drop off IV members at the intersection of 15th and Independence and will be parked at RFK stadium.
Points West
(1) I-66 West becomes Theodore Roosevelt Memorial Bridge and becomes Route 50 East/ Constitution ave NW.
(2) Make a left on the 15th Street and go 0.5 miles South and arrive at the intersection of Independence ave and 15th street.
(3) Buses will drop off IV members at the intersection of 15th and Independence and will be parked at RFK stadium.
Points North and East
(1) From 295-S/Baltimore Washington Parkway take the US 50W/ Newyork Ave exit and go aprrox 5 miles
(2) Make a left on to I-395 S and go approx 2 miles
(3) Take the 12th St SW/Downtown exit and Make a left on Independence Ave with in 0.5 mile
(4) Arrive at the Independence ave and 15th street interesection in .5 miles. Buses will drop off IV members and will be parked at RFK Stadium
Departure Advisory
For people departing via WMATA Metro Rail/Bus
There are two Metro stations close to the US Capitol West lawn
(1) Union Station Metro on the Red line. (closer to west lawn by walk)
(2) Capitol South Metro on the Orange & Blue line.
Find out on what Metro Line (Blue/Orange/Red/Green/Yellow or Combination) your destination / Metro station is and chose either of the above Metro stations. Simply, Go to wmata website and get your itinerary. Your destination can be a Metro rail stop or some thing that is connected by both rail and bus.
Walking Directions to Union Station Metro Station
(1) Head North on 1st St NW towards Constitution ave approx 0.1 mile
(2) Make Right turn on Louisiana Ave to walk towards columbus circle approx .25 miles
(3) Cross the Columbus Circle to arrive at Union Station Metro.
Walking Directions to Capitol South Metro Station
(1) Head South on 1st st NW towards Independence ave, approx 0.1 mile
(2) Make Left turn on Independence avenue and walk East approx 0.2 miles
(3) Make a Right turn on New Jersey avenue and walk South approx 0.1 mile going past Cannon House building and C st SE
(4) Make a Left turn on D st SE and walk East approx 0.1 mile to arrive at US Capitol South Metro.
For People departing via IV Charter Buses
There is no pick up available around the US Capitol. IV Charter buses will be parked at the RFK Stadium which is accessible via METRO. The Metro stop is Armory Stadium which is on the Orange/Blue lines and is the 3rd stop from US Capitol South Metro. (Trains towards New Carrollton/ Largo Town Center)
(1) Follow the Walking directions to US Capitol South from the US Capitol West lawn as listed above
(2) Ride the Orange/Blue line to get down at the Armory/Stadium Metro stop.
(3) Walk towards Lot 7 from the Armory stadium. Street Signs will be available from the Metro station
(4) Board the bus and your Bus lead/Driver will get you to your destination
Please make sure that you have the bus lead(s) phone number and there will be a roll call before the bus departs. For exact timings of departure, please talk to your bus lead.
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vinabath
07-16 12:47 PM
Interesting. My Labor says
14) Education BS,
Years of experience 3
15) Other Special Requirements "MS + 1year" OR "BS + 3 years".
I have a MS. My lawyer says this is a EB3 application. 140 still pending. The receipt however says "Skilled Worker". Any possibility my 140 gets approved as EB2?
Anything can happen with USCIS. But i think the position's MINIMUM req is BS+3 years exp and that is EB3.
14) Education BS,
Years of experience 3
15) Other Special Requirements "MS + 1year" OR "BS + 3 years".
I have a MS. My lawyer says this is a EB3 application. 140 still pending. The receipt however says "Skilled Worker". Any possibility my 140 gets approved as EB2?
Anything can happen with USCIS. But i think the position's MINIMUM req is BS+3 years exp and that is EB3.
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gondalguru
07-26 10:15 PM
Good work Vikram. I tested it out and seems preety useful.
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gchopefull
10-02 02:22 PM
I recieved a weired email update from USCIS about the I-140 after RFE documents recived, waited for two days then call the customer service # and the status on the phone said that USCIS denied the case.
here is the case history.
LC-Feb-2005.
I-140 filled march 2007
I-485/EAD filled July-2007
EAD approved/EAD card arrived 15 Sep 2007
I-140 RFE August 2007(A2P)
I-140 denied 27th Sep 2007.
my question is,
what are the options do I have?
my employer is talking about appeal.
since the original I-140 is denied will the 485/EAD will get cancelled too?
is there any way to port the LC date?
what are the chances of appeal/approval?
employer is in good standing(financially).
any suggestions,input will be highly appreciated.
thanks
here is the case history.
LC-Feb-2005.
I-140 filled march 2007
I-485/EAD filled July-2007
EAD approved/EAD card arrived 15 Sep 2007
I-140 RFE August 2007(A2P)
I-140 denied 27th Sep 2007.
my question is,
what are the options do I have?
my employer is talking about appeal.
since the original I-140 is denied will the 485/EAD will get cancelled too?
is there any way to port the LC date?
what are the chances of appeal/approval?
employer is in good standing(financially).
any suggestions,input will be highly appreciated.
thanks
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STAmisha
11-14 05:55 PM
My RIR is rejected. My LC is still pending.
My lawyer says it is moved to TR queue
If My case is moved to TR queue, does it mean very significant delay in getting my LC? Because in such a case this is my breaking point.Ready to quit and give up after these years and years if pain
My lawyer says it is moved to TR queue
If My case is moved to TR queue, does it mean very significant delay in getting my LC? Because in such a case this is my breaking point.Ready to quit and give up after these years and years if pain
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aristotle
07-11 10:59 AM
Hi Folks,
Just thought I'd share with the group, I recently received my I-140 approval. I did it premium processing through the Nebraska service center (I think) and the application was approved in 3 days (!) - submitted 06/25, premium processing fee check cashed 06/26, approval 06/29.
Now if only they had premium processing for I-485s ! (I was impacted by this recent visa bulletin thing unfortunately ... my PD was current in June but now I have to wait till Oct to file I-485 ... sigh).
- GS
Congratulations!! Why didn't you do Concurrent filing in June?
Just thought I'd share with the group, I recently received my I-140 approval. I did it premium processing through the Nebraska service center (I think) and the application was approved in 3 days (!) - submitted 06/25, premium processing fee check cashed 06/26, approval 06/29.
Now if only they had premium processing for I-485s ! (I was impacted by this recent visa bulletin thing unfortunately ... my PD was current in June but now I have to wait till Oct to file I-485 ... sigh).
- GS
Congratulations!! Why didn't you do Concurrent filing in June?
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snathan
04-01 12:11 AM
Company A in my case has not revoked my H1B, it's still in valid status. I had been to India too & I came back with same VISA on MARCH 12 2009. I have mentioned in the post also.
"snathan", can you tell me what are the options for me now in this situation?
I believe you should be able to go back to your employer A and work with him as you still have valid visa with him. But check with attorney.
"snathan", can you tell me what are the options for me now in this situation?
I believe you should be able to go back to your employer A and work with him as you still have valid visa with him. But check with attorney.
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vparam
05-26 02:16 AM
The first round was victorious. Hopefully the second and third round does not take out the hard victory QGA & Staffers of various Senators & the Senators have got us.
Thanks to all QGA & Staffers of various Senators & the Senators .
I was wondering if a webfax thanking QGA & Staffers of various Senators & the Senators could be set up. like in the lines of how AILA does where based on zip code an appropriate thank you or disappointment fax is sent.
Thanks to all QGA & Staffers of various Senators & the Senators .
I was wondering if a webfax thanking QGA & Staffers of various Senators & the Senators could be set up. like in the lines of how AILA does where based on zip code an appropriate thank you or disappointment fax is sent.
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copsmart
02-20 08:44 PM
You are not alone�
This is the case for most people, for instance, my current salary is at least 10K higher than my LC wage.
Bottom line is, you need to have a job in the "same or similar occupational classification" as the position which was the subject of the labor certification application. Salary does not matter, as long as it does not seem to evidence a totally different type of position.
How about the opposite problem. The LC wages are lower that what I am being paid. the LC reflects what I was being paid at the time it was filed. not sure if the lawyer screwed up. Right now, I am doing a similar job (non-IT, non-technical), but with wider responsibility and earning ~ 40% more. What now??
-a
This is the case for most people, for instance, my current salary is at least 10K higher than my LC wage.
Bottom line is, you need to have a job in the "same or similar occupational classification" as the position which was the subject of the labor certification application. Salary does not matter, as long as it does not seem to evidence a totally different type of position.
How about the opposite problem. The LC wages are lower that what I am being paid. the LC reflects what I was being paid at the time it was filed. not sure if the lawyer screwed up. Right now, I am doing a similar job (non-IT, non-technical), but with wider responsibility and earning ~ 40% more. What now??
-a
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freedom_fighter
01-14 01:13 PM
she had sep 2004 eb2.
i've changed my pd date to avoid confusion. USCIS is going by the queue, so dont worry..
i've changed my pd date to avoid confusion. USCIS is going by the queue, so dont worry..
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javadeveloper
07-20 04:16 PM
Let's assume Two people A and B entered into US on Jan 1st 2004 with Visa stamping Valid till June 2006.
A is without payslips for 2 years , that is until Dec 2005(730 days).A travels out side US and re enters into US in jan 2006 , after that he'll get the payslips and stays legal , then applies for his 485 in March 2006.Then he is maintaining
100% legal status as he is having continious payslips after his re entry.
B doesn't have payslips for period of 185 days(aggregate) in his whole stay in US , rest of the time he maintains legal status , but he never travels outside US and applies for his 485 in March 2006.
In this case B is under risk of illegal status for more than 180 days , as he never travelled outside US.How come this is fair law??This thought bugging me since coupe of days.Guys please share your ideas.
A is without payslips for 2 years , that is until Dec 2005(730 days).A travels out side US and re enters into US in jan 2006 , after that he'll get the payslips and stays legal , then applies for his 485 in March 2006.Then he is maintaining
100% legal status as he is having continious payslips after his re entry.
B doesn't have payslips for period of 185 days(aggregate) in his whole stay in US , rest of the time he maintains legal status , but he never travels outside US and applies for his 485 in March 2006.
In this case B is under risk of illegal status for more than 180 days , as he never travelled outside US.How come this is fair law??This thought bugging me since coupe of days.Guys please share your ideas.
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reddy77
03-08 08:06 AM
I have a quick question on salary issue with 485. My EB2 I-140 states that my yearly salary 87k per annum. It got approved last year. I realized that my w-2 only reflects 64k for last year. I did not work for 2 months because of some personal reason. Is this less salary going to affect my 485 application? I thougt, GC is for future jobs so its okay. Can somebody please clarify this ?
I believe the salary mentioned in the labor is the future salary, That means you should be paid that much after you got your GC. It is not the present salary...
I believe the salary mentioned in the labor is the future salary, That means you should be paid that much after you got your GC. It is not the present salary...
miguy
06-25 10:22 AM
I though such contracts are illegal in US?....It is employment at will.....that means they can kick you out anytime or you can leave anytime....maybe someone can clarify
Arjun
03-15 11:32 AM
I agree, I think you can recieve incentives, but you cannot work (as an employee) for a corporation other than the H1B sponsor. In any case, as long as you report all of your income you are fine. I do'nt think IRS checks your status to validate your income.
H1-B folks are permitted to have sources of passive income from entities other than their H1 sponsor. This includes bank interests, stock dividends, profits from stock transactions etc. Most of these incomes are taxable and reported to the IRS on 1099-INT or 1099-DIV forms. When you open a bank account and get a bonus of, say $200, it is considered as interest earned.
The vital point to remember, I guess, is that H1s are NOT allowed to generate an income from any source (other that H1 sponsor) that needs any tangible work to be done- investments do not count as tangible work.
H1-B folks are permitted to have sources of passive income from entities other than their H1 sponsor. This includes bank interests, stock dividends, profits from stock transactions etc. Most of these incomes are taxable and reported to the IRS on 1099-INT or 1099-DIV forms. When you open a bank account and get a bonus of, say $200, it is considered as interest earned.
The vital point to remember, I guess, is that H1s are NOT allowed to generate an income from any source (other that H1 sponsor) that needs any tangible work to be done- investments do not count as tangible work.
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